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Jeg blir ikke helt klok på disse tallene.

Jan Simonsen skriver:
Den norske ambassaden i Bucuresti har lagt ut en lengre redegjørelse om det norske Barnevernet på sin hjemmeside. Redegjørelsen er unøyaktig og til dels direkte usann, og har til hensikt å vise et glansbilde av et system som tusenvis av nordmenn føler som overgrep, og som har utløst store demonstrasjoner ikke bare i Bucuresti og andre europeiske hovedsteder, men også i Norge.

http://www.frie-ytringer.com/

http://www.frie-ytringer.com/2016/01/04 ... barnevern/

Mechthild svarer i kommentarfeltet:
Ambassaden refererer til en rapport fra Europarådet som angivelig viser at Norges omsorgstall ligger i nedre sjiktet. Det er sannsynligvis denne rapporten: http://www.gao.gov/archive/1996/gg96178.pdf
I del C hevdes det at Norge har under 0,5% barn under omsorg, at Sverige og Sveits har mellom 0,5-0,8%, og at Finland og Tyskland har mellom 0,8% og 1,66%. Tallene er basert på landenes svar på et spørreskjema sendt ut i 2013, altså muligens tall fra 2011.

Forsker Marit Skivenes sammenlignet antall omplasserte barn i forskjellige land. Hvis man regner på tallene på side 4 i denne presentasjonen: https://www.regjeringen.no/contentasset ... ivenes.pdf
så ser man at Norge har 0,72% barn under (ufrivillig) omsorg, Sverige 0,21%, Sveits 0,41%, Finland 0,18%, Tyskland 0,09%. Alle disse tallene ligger langt unna det Europarådets rapport oppgir. Faktisk er Norge i toppen blant de landene Skivenes sammenlignet. Omsorgsovertakelser per 100 barn forandrer seg vanligvis bare i 2.desimal fra år til år, som regel en økning. Så 2011 og 2013 er fullt sammenlignbare.

Min egen sjekk av tyske tall per 2013 ga 0,24% («bestellte Amtsvormundschaft», dvs. barn under barnevernets omsorg slutten av året, med domstolsbehandling). Men jeg er heller ikke sikker på om det var det etterspurte tallet.

Problemet med sammenligning av statistikker er at lovgivningen er forskjellig fra land til land, og de rapporterte parametrene er ulike. Man må passe på om plasseringene er frivillige eller ikke, om unge voksne i ettervern er telt med, om tallene er rapportert for slutten av året eller i løpet av året, om de gjelder alle barn i barnevernets omsorg eller nye vedtak per år, om de teller tiltak eller barn. Man må også holde øye med ufrivillige adopsjoner som forandrer barns status fra ufrivillig overtatt til adoptert, og hvordan familieplasseringer gjennomføres og telles.

Dette svarte jeg følgende på:
Mechilde kommer med et faglig godt svar.

Siterer:
«Problemet med sammenligning av statistikker er at lovgivningen er forskjellig fra land til land, og de rapporterte parametrene er ulike.»

Dette gjør det veldig vanskelig. Sverige har hatt flere barn i såkalt omsorg enn Norge. Nylig hevdet noen at det lå flere flyktningebarn inne i den svenske statistikken, slik at Norge nå lå over i antall tvungne såkalte omsorgsovertakelser.

Men ikke så veldig mye over.

Dette indikerer et problem: Staten bruker penger på tvang som byråkratene TROR på, men som forskningen knuser.

Det betyr at vi får en destruktiv bruk av oljerikdommene til å ødelegge familier. Oljerikdommene gjør oss til verdensmestre i familieødeleggelse.

Sitat slutt.

Nylig ble det nettopp hevdet at en ikke liten del av den svenske statistikken innheholder flyktningebarn. Jeg er blitt lovet dokumentasjon, men har enda ikke fått den.

Det er imidlertid forskjellig som tyder på at Norge har gått en del forbi Sverige og er det desidert verste landet i verden mht familieknusing.

Jeg håper på klarere tall etter hvert.
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